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	<title>Comments on: This Week&#8217;s Misinformed Award Goes to&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74496</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting use of the word &quot;misspoke&quot;.

Ogrebears: You have it spot-on. I wish there &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; some of the things in Mass Effect that &quot;somebody&quot; told her they&#039;d heard were in it.

What she and Kevin McCullough are saying is that video games are &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; &quot;for kids&quot; by virtue of the fact that they are video games, and therefore entitled to much weaker protection than other forms of expression.

In this case, the counterpoint is all about how there&#039;s no such thing in &lt;i&gt;Mass Effect&lt;/i&gt;... but what about that much more important point? That even if there &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt;, censorship is more vile and disgusting than there being mature content in a mature video game. Or that just being a video game doesn&#039;t automatically constitute &quot;marketing to 15 year old boys&quot;.

Genda: Amazon will delete the comments from people that obviously didn&#039;t read the book. Otherwise, there&#039;s really nothing for them to retract. The gamers didn&#039;t &quot;misspeak&quot; when they&#039;ve talked about what &lt;i&gt;she said.

Still, Google search for Cooper Lawrence returns pages of links to &quot;Cooper Lawrence admits she was wrong&quot;, etc.

But again, regarding the really important issue, she has admitted no such thing.

She said it was &lt;i&gt;dangerous&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt; for even an M-rated game to contain M-rated content. She&#039;s only retracted the statement that Mass Effect was such a game. She pointed-out that it&#039;s content is no worse than you see on network television (ok, so why the M rating?!), but her ridiculous claims about M-rated video games being a danger to society still stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting use of the word &#8220;misspoke&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ogrebears: You have it spot-on. I wish there <i>were</i> some of the things in Mass Effect that &#8220;somebody&#8221; told her they&#8217;d heard were in it.</p>
<p>What she and Kevin McCullough are saying is that video games are <i>necessarily</i> &#8220;for kids&#8221; by virtue of the fact that they are video games, and therefore entitled to much weaker protection than other forms of expression.</p>
<p>In this case, the counterpoint is all about how there&#8217;s no such thing in <i>Mass Effect</i>&#8230; but what about that much more important point? That even if there <i>were</i>, censorship is more vile and disgusting than there being mature content in a mature video game. Or that just being a video game doesn&#8217;t automatically constitute &#8220;marketing to 15 year old boys&#8221;.</p>
<p>Genda: Amazon will delete the comments from people that obviously didn&#8217;t read the book. Otherwise, there&#8217;s really nothing for them to retract. The gamers didn&#8217;t &#8220;misspeak&#8221; when they&#8217;ve talked about what <i>she said.</p>
<p>Still, Google search for Cooper Lawrence returns pages of links to &#8220;Cooper Lawrence admits she was wrong&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>But again, regarding the really important issue, she has admitted no such thing.</p>
<p>She said it was </i><i>dangerous</i> and <i>wrong</i> for even an M-rated game to contain M-rated content. She&#8217;s only retracted the statement that Mass Effect was such a game. She pointed-out that it&#8217;s content is no worse than you see on network television (ok, so why the M rating?!), but her ridiculous claims about M-rated video games being a danger to society still stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Vahlouran</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74494</link>
		<dc:creator>Vahlouran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;m astonished that you think parents feel responsible for their children.  Since when?  I don&#039;t know what other peoples&#039; experiences were growing up, but I definitely had a babysitter and it&#039;s name was Magnavox.  Video games are still merely the previous generation&#039;s complaint.  Their parents said exactly the same thing about their interests (which they have wholeheartedly forgotten) so it should come as no surprise that they turn around and do the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;m astonished that you think parents feel responsible for their children.  Since when?  I don&#8217;t know what other peoples&#8217; experiences were growing up, but I definitely had a babysitter and it&#8217;s name was Magnavox.  Video games are still merely the previous generation&#8217;s complaint.  Their parents said exactly the same thing about their interests (which they have wholeheartedly forgotten) so it should come as no surprise that they turn around and do the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Genda</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74493</link>
		<dc:creator>Genda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the people that flamed her book on Amazon aren&#039;t probably going to be able to retract as she did when she learned better.  One thing, I&#039;ll be she does real research before going on a national television program and giving an opinion based on what someone told her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the people that flamed her book on Amazon aren&#8217;t probably going to be able to retract as she did when she learned better.  One thing, I&#8217;ll be she does real research before going on a national television program and giving an opinion based on what someone told her.</p>
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		<title>By: Agraza</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74492</link>
		<dc:creator>Agraza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is completely awesome that she looked into this further.  Apparently her credibility means something to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is completely awesome that she looked into this further.  Apparently her credibility means something to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrin</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74491</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, it&#039;s too bad she was on tv before she had a clue. Ignorance is the main reason people dislike the video game industry as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s too bad she was on tv before she had a clue. Ignorance is the main reason people dislike the video game industry as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Shwayder</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74488</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Shwayder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/arts/television/26mass.html

Cooper Lawrence, the person who appeared on Fox News and criticized Mass Effect, apparently spent 2 hours watching someone play the game and had this to say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

“Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m glad that she got her story straight, but next time, please get it straight before you appear on national television and cause so much controversy and further damage the reputation of our industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/arts/television/26mass.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/arts/television/26mass.html</a></p>
<p>Cooper Lawrence, the person who appeared on Fox News and criticized Mass Effect, apparently spent 2 hours watching someone play the game and had this to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.</p>
<p>“Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that she got her story straight, but next time, please get it straight before you appear on national television and cause so much controversy and further damage the reputation of our industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ogrebears</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74480</link>
		<dc:creator>Ogrebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems is a lot of the older people in this country still see Video games as things for Children, and not adults.  A lot of them can&#039;t believe that anyone in their mid to late 20&#039;s or older would even play video games.  With a lot of member of congress being part of this older generation that see video games as children&#039;s Toys and that adult don&#039;t play video games. You can see were there bias and anger at video games come from. They see game (in their mind) like manhunt being play by kids and only kids, not adults.  Which is sad that they don&#039;t realize the average age of games is closer to 30 than 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems is a lot of the older people in this country still see Video games as things for Children, and not adults.  A lot of them can&#8217;t believe that anyone in their mid to late 20&#8242;s or older would even play video games.  With a lot of member of congress being part of this older generation that see video games as children&#8217;s Toys and that adult don&#8217;t play video games. You can see were there bias and anger at video games come from. They see game (in their mind) like manhunt being play by kids and only kids, not adults.  Which is sad that they don&#8217;t realize the average age of games is closer to 30 than 13.</p>
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		<title>By: Genda</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74452</link>
		<dc:creator>Genda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone is responsible for themselves and their actions, except for minors, whose parents take responsibility.  People that want to push responsibility for video games to the producers are like fat people suing McDonald&#039;s.  No one forced you to use products, and if you don&#039;t want your children exposed to sex, violence, or Big Macs then make sure they aren&#039;t.  

The government has no role in this, especially given the good-faith efforts the industry has made to set standards that parents can understand.  My kids don&#039;t play M games, with the exception of my almost-17-year-old son.  That&#039;s my choice and my responsibility.  Someone asserting that it&#039;s someone else&#039;s just doesn&#039;t make it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is responsible for themselves and their actions, except for minors, whose parents take responsibility.  People that want to push responsibility for video games to the producers are like fat people suing McDonald&#8217;s.  No one forced you to use products, and if you don&#8217;t want your children exposed to sex, violence, or Big Macs then make sure they aren&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>The government has no role in this, especially given the good-faith efforts the industry has made to set standards that parents can understand.  My kids don&#8217;t play M games, with the exception of my almost-17-year-old son.  That&#8217;s my choice and my responsibility.  Someone asserting that it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s just doesn&#8217;t make it so.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Shwayder</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/01/25/this-weeks-misinformed-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74450</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Shwayder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The assertion that the responsibility lies with game developers is a self-justifying claim usually made by parents who wish to evade accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assertion that the responsibility lies with game developers is a self-justifying claim usually made by parents who wish to evade accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: Grimwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grimwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Parents are responsible for protecting their children&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As a parent of three I&#039;ve often thought that very same thing myself. That&#039;s my responsibility in exchange for the joys of actually having children. Oddly, the PTC addresses the same question in the FAQ on their website, and we are wrong!

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The fact that parents are ultimately responsible for their children&#039;s upbringing does not free the entertainment industry from taking responsibility for their product. The assertion that the sole responsibility lies with parents is a self-justifying claim usually made by people who wish to evade accountability. It is much like pumping sewage into a town&#039;s river, while maintaining that parents are responsible for protecting the health of their own children. Parental responsibility is the beginning, not the end, of the story. The next question is, to what extent do those who use public resources like the airwaves have a responsibility as well?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Apparently by asserting that I hold the ultimate and only responsibility for my children&#039;s upbringing is actually a defense of the fact that I really want to evade that accountability. /confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Parents are responsible for protecting their children</p></blockquote>
<p>As a parent of three I&#8217;ve often thought that very same thing myself. That&#8217;s my responsibility in exchange for the joys of actually having children. Oddly, the PTC addresses the same question in the FAQ on their website, and we are wrong!</p>
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The fact that parents are ultimately responsible for their children&#8217;s upbringing does not free the entertainment industry from taking responsibility for their product. The assertion that the sole responsibility lies with parents is a self-justifying claim usually made by people who wish to evade accountability. It is much like pumping sewage into a town&#8217;s river, while maintaining that parents are responsible for protecting the health of their own children. Parental responsibility is the beginning, not the end, of the story. The next question is, to what extent do those who use public resources like the airwaves have a responsibility as well?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently by asserting that I hold the ultimate and only responsibility for my children&#8217;s upbringing is actually a defense of the fact that I really want to evade that accountability. /confused.</p>
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