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		<title>By: Brandon &#124; CS419</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/03/08/role-swapping-in-online-games/comment-page-1/#comment-75325</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon &#124; CS419</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I'll admit it.  I've done this before.

It's a video game.  It really shouldn't matter which gender I play.  In WoW, I wanted to play a pally.  I hate the way all of the male characters looked.  So I made a female.  You're going to invest a lot of time into the character.  Why not pick something that you like the look of (and no, not in the *bow chicka wow wow* way)?

Honestly though, after about two people thinking I was actually a girl, I just couldn't play as that character anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I&#8217;ll admit it.  I&#8217;ve done this before.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a video game.  It really shouldn&#8217;t matter which gender I play.  In WoW, I wanted to play a pally.  I hate the way all of the male characters looked.  So I made a female.  You&#8217;re going to invest a lot of time into the character.  Why not pick something that you like the look of (and no, not in the *bow chicka wow wow* way)?</p>
<p>Honestly though, after about two people thinking I was actually a girl, I just couldn&#8217;t play as that character anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Graktar</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/03/08/role-swapping-in-online-games/comment-page-1/#comment-75312</link>
		<dc:creator>Graktar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are the occasional 'bad eggs' out there who play a female character for malicious reasons (examples have been posted already).  However, they are a very tiny minority.  If you log into an online game and walk around for a bit, you'll see a LOT of female avatars.  Demographic surveys show that while female gamers do exist in MMORPGs, they most certainly do not account for more than a fraction of the female avatars running around.   Anyone with half a brain realizes that most female characters are played by males.  I've played the occasional female alt, but never presented myself as a female player, and never had anyone flirt with me or anything stupid like that.  At this stage of the genre, most people know that unless the female avatar explicitly states they are a female player, they're not.  Gender identity shines through more strongly than a collection of pixels shaped like a female.

There are, presumably, males who play female avatars AND present a female gender identity.  On the one hand it's deceptive, especially if they use it to milk favors from rapid teenage boys.  On the other hand, it is a ROLE PLAYING game and a male playing a female character as a female, is role playing.  You're not an Orc in real life either, after all.

I don't think males play female avatars out of any desire to be female themselves, or because of homosexual tendencies, or mental illness, or anything else.  Gay men would have no reason to play female avatars.  They're MEN.  Men who like men, but still men.  If you have a deep seated gender identity issue where you think you should be female but you were born a man, playing a female avatar in an MMO is not going to assuage your discomfort in any way.

Honestly, the only people that worry about males playing female characters are horny teenage boys and homophobes (which frequently go together anyway).  If you're trying to cyber with some collection of polygons in an online game you have your own problems to worry about.  Stop projecting :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are the occasional &#8216;bad eggs&#8217; out there who play a female character for malicious reasons (examples have been posted already).  However, they are a very tiny minority.  If you log into an online game and walk around for a bit, you&#8217;ll see a LOT of female avatars.  Demographic surveys show that while female gamers do exist in MMORPGs, they most certainly do not account for more than a fraction of the female avatars running around.   Anyone with half a brain realizes that most female characters are played by males.  I&#8217;ve played the occasional female alt, but never presented myself as a female player, and never had anyone flirt with me or anything stupid like that.  At this stage of the genre, most people know that unless the female avatar explicitly states they are a female player, they&#8217;re not.  Gender identity shines through more strongly than a collection of pixels shaped like a female.</p>
<p>There are, presumably, males who play female avatars AND present a female gender identity.  On the one hand it&#8217;s deceptive, especially if they use it to milk favors from rapid teenage boys.  On the other hand, it is a ROLE PLAYING game and a male playing a female character as a female, is role playing.  You&#8217;re not an Orc in real life either, after all.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think males play female avatars out of any desire to be female themselves, or because of homosexual tendencies, or mental illness, or anything else.  Gay men would have no reason to play female avatars.  They&#8217;re MEN.  Men who like men, but still men.  If you have a deep seated gender identity issue where you think you should be female but you were born a man, playing a female avatar in an MMO is not going to assuage your discomfort in any way.</p>
<p>Honestly, the only people that worry about males playing female characters are horny teenage boys and homophobes (which frequently go together anyway).  If you&#8217;re trying to cyber with some collection of polygons in an online game you have your own problems to worry about.  Stop projecting :p</p>
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		<title>By: Thermoses</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/03/08/role-swapping-in-online-games/comment-page-1/#comment-75296</link>
		<dc:creator>Thermoses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a way that reminds me of the whole Bloodninja "I put on my robe and wizard hat..." prank. I can see where that would piss off the person duped, but on the other hand; that was as far as the "joke" went. Juvenile? yes. Funny? Questionable. Malicious? Well, I wouldn't qualify it as nice behavior, but I can also think of far worse ways the perpetrator could have defrauded or humiliated other players. 

While this is not at all scientific, if you look back over the posts for this thread, there are only one or two instances of malicious behavior and a lot of testimonials of neutral cross-gender playing, and a lot of casual indifference to the whole endeavor. While some jerks use cross-gender characters for griefing, there remain many other mechanisms for them to piss off community members, and there remain many other players who use cross-gender characters with no ill effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a way that reminds me of the whole Bloodninja &#8220;I put on my robe and wizard hat&#8230;&#8221; prank. I can see where that would piss off the person duped, but on the other hand; that was as far as the &#8220;joke&#8221; went. Juvenile? yes. Funny? Questionable. Malicious? Well, I wouldn&#8217;t qualify it as nice behavior, but I can also think of far worse ways the perpetrator could have defrauded or humiliated other players. </p>
<p>While this is not at all scientific, if you look back over the posts for this thread, there are only one or two instances of malicious behavior and a lot of testimonials of neutral cross-gender playing, and a lot of casual indifference to the whole endeavor. While some jerks use cross-gender characters for griefing, there remain many other mechanisms for them to piss off community members, and there remain many other players who use cross-gender characters with no ill effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Mythilt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mythilt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thermoses, I first started playing on MU*s, and was for a time in the 1990's active on FurryMuck.  I can't remember names, but there was a player who used to try to get people he knew were straight into cybering with his female character, midway through he'd A) change the gender flag, and B) start taunting them with the fact they were now engaging in non-straight sex.  And yes, he would imply beforehand he was a female player.  This went on for a number of times before the wizards finally put a stop to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermoses, I first started playing on MU*s, and was for a time in the 1990&#8217;s active on FurryMuck.  I can&#8217;t remember names, but there was a player who used to try to get people he knew were straight into cybering with his female character, midway through he&#8217;d A) change the gender flag, and B) start taunting them with the fact they were now engaging in non-straight sex.  And yes, he would imply beforehand he was a female player.  This went on for a number of times before the wizards finally put a stop to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Silvermink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvermink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had someone kicked from a guild I was in because he pretended to be female. Even went so far as to arrange a date with one of the other guildmembers. The date never happened because someone else in the guild knew of him. It wasn't his first attempt at meeting ingame players under pretense of being female. I don't think he was being malicious (gay rape or something) just nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had someone kicked from a guild I was in because he pretended to be female. Even went so far as to arrange a date with one of the other guildmembers. The date never happened because someone else in the guild knew of him. It wasn&#8217;t his first attempt at meeting ingame players under pretense of being female. I don&#8217;t think he was being malicious (gay rape or something) just nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Da'Beans</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/03/08/role-swapping-in-online-games/comment-page-1/#comment-75277</link>
		<dc:creator>Da'Beans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously play about 50% of my toons as either gender.  I usually start with no character concept and just select options at random until something clicks as a coherent persona.  

I have no confusion of my own identity and I speedily correct anyone's false impressions of my RL gender (male).  Not so much because I care, but because I don't want them to be embarassed later.

I wouldn't say that I don't care what my toons look like.  They all tend to end up with a specific look for themselves that I'll try to stick with as the progress through levels...  but I don't actually care what that look is.  I've played attractive and unattractive avatars of both genders.

My current favorite in EQ2 is a female Iksar.  I'll never look at her butt (she wears a cloak) and she has no boobs at all (being not a mammal) but she does have these head ridges that stand out when she's fighting, like the dinosaurs that killed Nedry in Jurassic Park.  No other race/gender combo in EQ2 does anything cool like that that I've seen.  I have no idea what conclusions a researcher would draw about that decision.   :wink: 

Anyhow, I'd be quite surprised if I learned from a credible survey that I'm not the majority out there - a person who plays both genders nearly indiscriminently, without concealing their real one, and has no "actual concrete reason" why they do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously play about 50% of my toons as either gender.  I usually start with no character concept and just select options at random until something clicks as a coherent persona.  </p>
<p>I have no confusion of my own identity and I speedily correct anyone&#8217;s false impressions of my RL gender (male).  Not so much because I care, but because I don&#8217;t want them to be embarassed later.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that I don&#8217;t care what my toons look like.  They all tend to end up with a specific look for themselves that I&#8217;ll try to stick with as the progress through levels&#8230;  but I don&#8217;t actually care what that look is.  I&#8217;ve played attractive and unattractive avatars of both genders.</p>
<p>My current favorite in EQ2 is a female Iksar.  I&#8217;ll never look at her butt (she wears a cloak) and she has no boobs at all (being not a mammal) but she does have these head ridges that stand out when she&#8217;s fighting, like the dinosaurs that killed Nedry in Jurassic Park.  No other race/gender combo in EQ2 does anything cool like that that I&#8217;ve seen.  I have no idea what conclusions a researcher would draw about that decision.   <img src='http://www.nerfbat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyhow, I&#8217;d be quite surprised if I learned from a credible survey that I&#8217;m not the majority out there - a person who plays both genders nearly indiscriminently, without concealing their real one, and has no &#8220;actual concrete reason&#8221; why they do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Thermoses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thermoses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mythilt, please provide some examples of malicious cross gender MMO behavior to clarify your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mythilt, please provide some examples of malicious cross gender MMO behavior to clarify your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Mythilt</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2008/03/08/role-swapping-in-online-games/comment-page-1/#comment-75272</link>
		<dc:creator>Mythilt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thermoses, I semi-disagree with  you.  I do agree that more people play cross-gender than most think, and that it is usually harmless.  Problem is, I know that it is(was) done maliciously more often then many of the 'its harmless' people realize.
As for scientific analysis, if you yourself go back far enough with online games, you might recall an old joke "50% of the females you meet on a MU* are actually males...the others are Claire."  The Claire in question was working on her Psych degree at one point, and her dissertation if I recall correctly, has a section on people cross-gender playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermoses, I semi-disagree with  you.  I do agree that more people play cross-gender than most think, and that it is usually harmless.  Problem is, I know that it is(was) done maliciously more often then many of the &#8216;its harmless&#8217; people realize.<br />
As for scientific analysis, if you yourself go back far enough with online games, you might recall an old joke &#8220;50% of the females you meet on a MU* are actually males&#8230;the others are Claire.&#8221;  The Claire in question was working on her Psych degree at one point, and her dissertation if I recall correctly, has a section on people cross-gender playing.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waldo 
March 10th, 2008 at 00:14 
“some of my male toons are “to stereotype” (ie “big brawny fighters”) ”

heh - like the female toons aren’t “too stereotype”? (ie, “big boobs, sexy dance animations, rediculous skimpy armor”)

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You've obviously never played EQ2. . . . no sexy dances, no skimpy armor, though I will give you that on most of the races (notable exceptions being gnomes, Kerra, Erudites, and the SOGA Halflings) have oversized breasts.  The elves are proprotionately oversized though not terrobly so, but the humans, dwarves, ogres, and barbarians are simply grotesque.  Hopefully the promised new models and skeletons will help to fix that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waldo<br />
March 10th, 2008 at 00:14<br />
“some of my male toons are “to stereotype” (ie “big brawny fighters”) ”</p>
<p>heh - like the female toons aren’t “too stereotype”? (ie, “big boobs, sexy dance animations, rediculous skimpy armor”)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve obviously never played EQ2. . . . no sexy dances, no skimpy armor, though I will give you that on most of the races (notable exceptions being gnomes, Kerra, Erudites, and the SOGA Halflings) have oversized breasts.  The elves are proprotionately oversized though not terrobly so, but the humans, dwarves, ogres, and barbarians are simply grotesque.  Hopefully the promised new models and skeletons will help to fix that.</p>
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		<title>By: Thermoses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thermoses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, you're right, it shouldn't &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; be analyzed either (sorry for the double-negative), but so far the tone of this thread has been 
(1) the original articles stating that more people do this than you'd think (sans data), and the implication that they're doing so to satisfy hidden, nefarious desires, and then 
(2) numerous posters stating why &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; reasons for playing an opposite gender are ok (implying that there &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; nefarious reasons for playing an opposite gender, just that they don't have these reasons).

No matter what one's reasons are for playing an opposite gender, the act in and of itself is harmless, and therefore, so are the reasons. Actually, I would be curious to read a more thorough, statistically significant analysis (with anecdotes) of people's reasons for playing the opposite gender, but without any condemnation. We're getting a lot of anecdotes here, but it's not too scientific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, you&#8217;re right, it shouldn&#8217;t <i>not</i> be analyzed either (sorry for the double-negative), but so far the tone of this thread has been<br />
(1) the original articles stating that more people do this than you&#8217;d think (sans data), and the implication that they&#8217;re doing so to satisfy hidden, nefarious desires, and then<br />
(2) numerous posters stating why <i>their</i> reasons for playing an opposite gender are ok (implying that there <i>are</i> nefarious reasons for playing an opposite gender, just that they don&#8217;t have these reasons).</p>
<p>No matter what one&#8217;s reasons are for playing an opposite gender, the act in and of itself is harmless, and therefore, so are the reasons. Actually, I would be curious to read a more thorough, statistically significant analysis (with anecdotes) of people&#8217;s reasons for playing the opposite gender, but without any condemnation. We&#8217;re getting a lot of anecdotes here, but it&#8217;s not too scientific.</p>
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