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	<title>Comments on: Off Topic: Ordered New Computer &#8211; Thanks!</title>
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	<description>Game design, development, and industry commentary by MMO Game Designer Ryan Shwayder.</description>
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		<title>By: Tagrun</title>
		<link>http://www.nerfbat.com/2009/04/28/off-topic-building-new-computer-hepl/comment-page-1/#comment-84834</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys. I didn&#039;t have time to log in. But maybe you guys can help me. I don&#039;t know enough about computers to successfully build one, and I have a 1200 budget. Currently I have no computer to play any type of game, hardly pacman. Here is the question, what should I go with? Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys. I didn&#8217;t have time to log in. But maybe you guys can help me. I don&#8217;t know enough about computers to successfully build one, and I have a 1200 budget. Currently I have no computer to play any type of game, hardly pacman. Here is the question, what should I go with? Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: DougQB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DougQB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is about time for me to upgrade as well.  I think its been about 5 years for me and I seem to be having an intermittent hardware issue too.  I may put off building a new system though, I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m ready for i7 yet, and I would still prefer avoiding Vista if possible.  Maybe I&#039;ll wait for Windows 7?   :p

I like the setup you decided upon.  I think it should work fine.  I also agree with the person who mentioned they picked up a larger power supply.  I think I will do the same.  My old power supply was a good one and its lasted me through two systems and its probably approaching 10 years now.  I think I got my money&#039;s worth out of that one, but I don&#039;t think I could have used it in my last system if it had been just sufficient for the first one.  That being said, I was thinking 550w to 600w is a good starting point.  In case it wasn&#039;t stressed already, a good power supply is worth the price.  If anyone reading is considering a cheap one, reconsider!

I also think the Artic Silver and Zalman cooler were worth getting, although it has been my experience that the GPU is a greater concern when it comes to cooling.  My friends had issues with their computers when playing 3D intensive games, but the cases and video cards they were using probably contributed to the problem.  You should be fine.

heh, I already have the same HD on hand ready to either install in my current setup, or for use in a new one.  Good choice!   ;)  No one said much about the case, but perhaps in the big scheme of things that isn&#039;t important.  I&#039;m still using my first case, but its time for a new one.  Cases are much nicer now and there are a lot more options to consider.  I like some of those Antec cases, especially when they are on sale!   :p

My research was turning up similar results to what everyone else was commenting here, and it looks like you already had a pretty good handle on it.  A second and third opinion for reassurance never hurts though!   =)

Thanks for sharing, Douglas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is about time for me to upgrade as well.  I think its been about 5 years for me and I seem to be having an intermittent hardware issue too.  I may put off building a new system though, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m ready for i7 yet, and I would still prefer avoiding Vista if possible.  Maybe I&#8217;ll wait for Windows 7?   :p</p>
<p>I like the setup you decided upon.  I think it should work fine.  I also agree with the person who mentioned they picked up a larger power supply.  I think I will do the same.  My old power supply was a good one and its lasted me through two systems and its probably approaching 10 years now.  I think I got my money&#8217;s worth out of that one, but I don&#8217;t think I could have used it in my last system if it had been just sufficient for the first one.  That being said, I was thinking 550w to 600w is a good starting point.  In case it wasn&#8217;t stressed already, a good power supply is worth the price.  If anyone reading is considering a cheap one, reconsider!</p>
<p>I also think the Artic Silver and Zalman cooler were worth getting, although it has been my experience that the GPU is a greater concern when it comes to cooling.  My friends had issues with their computers when playing 3D intensive games, but the cases and video cards they were using probably contributed to the problem.  You should be fine.</p>
<p>heh, I already have the same HD on hand ready to either install in my current setup, or for use in a new one.  Good choice!   <img src='http://www.nerfbat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   No one said much about the case, but perhaps in the big scheme of things that isn&#8217;t important.  I&#8217;m still using my first case, but its time for a new one.  Cases are much nicer now and there are a lot more options to consider.  I like some of those Antec cases, especially when they are on sale!   :p</p>
<p>My research was turning up similar results to what everyone else was commenting here, and it looks like you already had a pretty good handle on it.  A second and third opinion for reassurance never hurts though!   =)</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, Douglas</p>
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		<title>By: Defect 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defect 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 03:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congrats!

but... no pics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>congrats!</p>
<p>but&#8230; no pics?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Shwayder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Shwayder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bang-for-the-buck beast is built! I dub thee Luckbeast.

Luckbeast is functional and in need of driver updates. With only the video card driver update, it got an Windows Experience Index score of 5.9. I&#039;m hoping the latest drivers and bios will get that to an even 6.0 for looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bang-for-the-buck beast is built! I dub thee Luckbeast.</p>
<p>Luckbeast is functional and in need of driver updates. With only the video card driver update, it got an Windows Experience Index score of 5.9. I&#8217;m hoping the latest drivers and bios will get that to an even 6.0 for looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Licciardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Licciardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an i7 so let&#039;s get that full disclosure out of the way.  The i7 is a significant architecture change from everything Intel has done in the past.  They finally gave in to the superior approach AMD was taking with it&#039;s Opteron chips and integrated the memory controller onto the die.  This eliminates the FSB and nearly triples memory bandwidth to the CPU at the same time.  Look at the memory tests on Tom&#039;s Hardware.  The difference is stunning.  The i7 is also Hyperthreaded so my 920 shows 8 CPUs under Vista 64.  In most tests the i7 is better than the Quad 9550.

That said, I think I got a comparable deal directly through dell on their XPS Studio M45 machine.  I have 2GB more RAM and no velociraptor drive for about the same money and I bought mine at Christmas time so it&#039;s bound to be cheaper now.

As for the video card, I&#039;m partial to ATI under Windows Vista because of NVIDIA&#039;s early issues with getting working drivers out there for Vista.  ATI seems to have a great bargain in the 4K series and I wouldn&#039;t care about SLI because you&#039;ll end up upgrading the card to a bigger one before you add another small card.  You can even get one of the X2 cards if you&#039;re that hell bent on dual video cards that 90% of games don&#039;t really use.

Enjoy the i7.  I think it was the right choice for me and I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll see the same value for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an i7 so let&#8217;s get that full disclosure out of the way.  The i7 is a significant architecture change from everything Intel has done in the past.  They finally gave in to the superior approach AMD was taking with it&#8217;s Opteron chips and integrated the memory controller onto the die.  This eliminates the FSB and nearly triples memory bandwidth to the CPU at the same time.  Look at the memory tests on Tom&#8217;s Hardware.  The difference is stunning.  The i7 is also Hyperthreaded so my 920 shows 8 CPUs under Vista 64.  In most tests the i7 is better than the Quad 9550.</p>
<p>That said, I think I got a comparable deal directly through dell on their XPS Studio M45 machine.  I have 2GB more RAM and no velociraptor drive for about the same money and I bought mine at Christmas time so it&#8217;s bound to be cheaper now.</p>
<p>As for the video card, I&#8217;m partial to ATI under Windows Vista because of NVIDIA&#8217;s early issues with getting working drivers out there for Vista.  ATI seems to have a great bargain in the 4K series and I wouldn&#8217;t care about SLI because you&#8217;ll end up upgrading the card to a bigger one before you add another small card.  You can even get one of the X2 cards if you&#8217;re that hell bent on dual video cards that 90% of games don&#8217;t really use.</p>
<p>Enjoy the i7.  I think it was the right choice for me and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll see the same value for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Teljair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teljair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you took my advice and got the i7, let me know how it works out for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you took my advice and got the i7, let me know how it works out for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Defect 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defect 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 04:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heehee, didn&#039;t mean to do that to your wallet.  Funny thing is, you&#039;ll be able to get a quick 20% OC without even thinking about it, and your temps should STILL be better than with the stock cooler (assuming you don&#039;t set the fan speed to crappy low).

a half-pea sized dot of the Arctic Silver dead center on the CPU is more than enough assuming you drop it on their semi-perfectly.  if you can twist the cooler after you mount it solid, see if there&#039;s a way to either bend the mounts (not too much) so they apply more pressure, or if there&#039;s some way to throw a spacer or something in there between the mount and the heatsink to get slightly more pressure (yes, you&#039;ll have to un-mount it, if you care).  it won&#039;t get you much, probably only a 1-2c difference, but you&#039;ll ensure that it has proper contact.

You&#039;ll probably want to mount the cooler before mounting the mobo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heehee, didn&#8217;t mean to do that to your wallet.  Funny thing is, you&#8217;ll be able to get a quick 20% OC without even thinking about it, and your temps should STILL be better than with the stock cooler (assuming you don&#8217;t set the fan speed to crappy low).</p>
<p>a half-pea sized dot of the Arctic Silver dead center on the CPU is more than enough assuming you drop it on their semi-perfectly.  if you can twist the cooler after you mount it solid, see if there&#8217;s a way to either bend the mounts (not too much) so they apply more pressure, or if there&#8217;s some way to throw a spacer or something in there between the mount and the heatsink to get slightly more pressure (yes, you&#8217;ll have to un-mount it, if you care).  it won&#8217;t get you much, probably only a 1-2c difference, but you&#8217;ll ensure that it has proper contact.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll probably want to mount the cooler before mounting the mobo.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Shwayder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Shwayder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet. I only got the 550W PSU because I&#039;m not planning on doing anything fancy and don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever go SLI (though this should have the wattage to handle it according to the Corsair website). I only got a 150GB drive because it&#039;s one of the most ignored yet most important components for system/game performance, and this one will scream. I also have a 1TB external drive for backup, so I didn&#039;t need space.

As for the cooling, Defect 9 pushed me back over the fence. I ordered a Zalman cooler and some Arctic Silver 5. The instructions on Arctic Silver&#039;s website make this look much easier than I remember (I used to clean the CPU and heatsink with with rubbing alcohol, rub a tiny amount of thermal paste on the heatsink and rub it into the pores with a coffee filter, then use a razor to cover the entire die of the CPU with a paper thin layer of thermal paste... Now apparently you can just clean them off with rubbing alcohol, put a small strip on the CPU, drop the heatsink on and twist it a few degrees to ditch the bubbles, and you&#039;re done).

Sure, I&#039;m not going to overclock, but keeping everything cool will extend the life of the computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet. I only got the 550W PSU because I&#8217;m not planning on doing anything fancy and don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever go SLI (though this should have the wattage to handle it according to the Corsair website). I only got a 150GB drive because it&#8217;s one of the most ignored yet most important components for system/game performance, and this one will scream. I also have a 1TB external drive for backup, so I didn&#8217;t need space.</p>
<p>As for the cooling, Defect 9 pushed me back over the fence. I ordered a Zalman cooler and some Arctic Silver 5. The instructions on Arctic Silver&#8217;s website make this look much easier than I remember (I used to clean the CPU and heatsink with with rubbing alcohol, rub a tiny amount of thermal paste on the heatsink and rub it into the pores with a coffee filter, then use a razor to cover the entire die of the CPU with a paper thin layer of thermal paste&#8230; Now apparently you can just clean them off with rubbing alcohol, put a small strip on the CPU, drop the heatsink on and twist it a few degrees to ditch the bubbles, and you&#8217;re done).</p>
<p>Sure, I&#8217;m not going to overclock, but keeping everything cool will extend the life of the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiqd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiqd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, almost the same setup I chose to go with, except I took a GeForce 285 vid card and a 1000W power supply. I already had a smaller system drive, so I just ended up buying a 1.5TB drive for $99 bucks (on sale). Nice lookin system!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, almost the same setup I chose to go with, except I took a GeForce 285 vid card and a 1000W power supply. I already had a smaller system drive, so I just ended up buying a 1.5TB drive for $99 bucks (on sale). Nice lookin system!</p>
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		<title>By: Defect 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defect 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 06:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to your thoughts on the rig once you get it set up.  Specifically, I want to hear about how much noise the stock cooler does or doesnt make.

I admit, even if not overclocking, i probably would have still gone aftermarket cooling, but that&#039;s only cause low noise is important to me.  Other than that tiny difference, I say you put together a solid system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to your thoughts on the rig once you get it set up.  Specifically, I want to hear about how much noise the stock cooler does or doesnt make.</p>
<p>I admit, even if not overclocking, i probably would have still gone aftermarket cooling, but that&#8217;s only cause low noise is important to me.  Other than that tiny difference, I say you put together a solid system.</p>
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